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Battery car hype about to stumble over reality

Detroit News -- It's nearly time to put up or shut up.

At the end of September, battery-powered electric vehicles will be the toast of the biennial Paris Car show. France's Renault, the most vocal European manufacturer leading the charge to battery powered cars, will be parading its electric credentials and is ready to start selling the electric Fluence next year. You can bet that its stand at the Paris show will repeat the "zero emissions" mantra countless times. Renault's Japanese affiliate Nissan will launch the Leaf in the U.S. later this year and Europe early in 2011. Mitsubishi of Japan has already launched its MiEV battery car in Europe, and Peugeot and Citroen of France will shortly begin selling their versions of this car.

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Submitted Sep 10, 2010 By: BurntOrange

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DrCashFlow Champion Author Massachusetts Posts:4,775 Points:1,168,555 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Sep 12, 2010 9:29:16 PM Ignore DrCashFlow Report Abuse it is all about the cost of the batteries, and they must come down meaningfully.
runout9 Champion Author New Jersey Posts:3,139 Points:957,625 Joined:Dec 2008	Message Posted: Sep 12, 2010 7:41:25 PM Ignore runout9 Report Abuse Don't confuse governments with their huge subsidies for brains!
traindude Champion Author Virginia Beach Posts:5,613 Points:1,245,260 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: Sep 11, 2010 9:49:25 PM Ignore traindude Report Abuse new tech is scary until its proven trustworthy
traindude Champion Author Virginia Beach Posts:5,613 Points:1,245,260 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: Sep 11, 2010 7:23:42 PM Ignore traindude Report Abuse i don't mind using more electricity, but would like to see newer, cleaner (greener) ways to generate it
Art48 Champion Author Sacramento Posts:2,586 Points:96,255 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: Sep 11, 2010 10:14:55 AM Ignore Art48 Report Abuse Your electric bill will go higher, but it will never be higher than the amount of money saved by not buying gasoline, which will go up,up, up in price, much faster than your electric bill.
Sneakers55 Champion Author Houston Posts:43,313 Points:1,711,030 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Sep 11, 2010 7:53:25 AM Ignore Sneakers55 Report Abuse Bubba44612 wrote: >Batteries don't do so well when the temperature approaches freezing. That depends on the battery.
Wizrd03 Champion Author Illinois Posts:5,771 Points:1,165,110 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Sep 11, 2010 7:47:54 AM Ignore Wizrd03 Report Abuse "The move from hype to actuality will not be a pleasant experience.... " That says it all...
VDubBill Champion Author Jacksonville Posts:2,692 Points:870,740 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Sep 11, 2010 7:43:00 AM Ignore VDubBill Report Abuse Fantasy is always prettier than reality. I see we used the requisite words green and zero emissions.
traindude Champion Author Virginia Beach Posts:5,613 Points:1,245,260 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: Sep 11, 2010 3:02:34 AM Ignore traindude Report Abuse time to sing or get off the stage
HiGramma Champion Author Michigan Posts:1,789 Points:367,830 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Sep 11, 2010 2:04:20 AM Ignore HiGramma Report Abuse My mind is still processing the fact that Ford did make electrics in 1967, and others did it in the late 70s. The way conspiracy theorists tell it is that the Big Three automakers, being all-powerful, suppressed the technology so they wouldn't lose profits. We'll see how these Euro models pan out in the new market.
Amplion Champion Author Oregon Posts:4,227 Points:1,396,260 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Sep 11, 2010 12:54:24 AM Ignore Amplion Report Abuse A 440 V-8 is better than a golf cart !!!!!
computernut2008 Champion Author Ohio Posts:4,250 Points:899,270 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Sep 11, 2010 12:37:48 AM Ignore computernut2008 Report Abuse Greedy oil speculators now...Greedy energy speculators then..What's the dif.
mazdaboy Champion Author Portland Posts:5,548 Points:1,635,155 Joined:Aug 2003	Message Posted: Sep 11, 2010 12:29:53 AM Ignore mazdaboy Report Abuse One mans opinion.
Pbandgrassroots Champion Author Wisconsin Posts:2,121 Points:328,150 Joined:Jun 2010	Message Posted: Sep 11, 2010 12:27:47 AM Ignore Pbandgrassroots Report Abuse I just hope, for our future generations, that we convert to electric cars and green energy power plants sometime soon. If we, as a society raised the earth's temp by a degree after approx. 150 yrs. since we became a truly industrialized species, I'd hate to see how much more we could heat it up.. with billions and billions of fossil-mobiles.
Bubba44612 Champion Author Ohio Posts:5,173 Points:1,419,020 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Sep 11, 2010 12:22:52 AM Ignore Bubba44612 Report Abuse Batteries don't do so well when the temperature approaches freezing.
findcheap Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:7,231 Points:1,541,920 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Sep 11, 2010 12:20:51 AM Ignore findcheap Report Abuse interesting
EXTREMESNOW Champion Author Medford Posts:7,047 Points:1,452,490 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Sep 11, 2010 12:20:02 AM Ignore EXTREMESNOW Report Abuse Zero emissions is great but wait till you see your energy bills when EVs get into full swing.
Pozole Champion Author Portland Posts:6,358 Points:1,126,700 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Sep 11, 2010 12:18:42 AM Ignore Pozole Report Abuse ...make all the batteries in the industry standard so they can be traded out instead of waiting for a charge...
JimL1 Champion Author Phoenix Posts:5,739 Points:806,475 Joined:Jul 2003	Message Posted: Sep 11, 2010 12:17:44 AM Ignore JimL1 Report Abuse Plugable Hybrids are still the answer.
DellDude2 Champion Author Nashville Posts:6,773 Points:1,654,035 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Sep 11, 2010 12:17:17 AM Ignore DellDude2 Report Abuse I'm with you AKmailman, way way better!
UBDave All-Star Author British Columbia Posts:566 Points:943,535 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Sep 11, 2010 12:12:53 AM Ignore UBDave Report Abuse Not for me thanks...
speedys Champion Author Utah Posts:4,659 Points:2,091,280 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Sep 11, 2010 12:01:01 AM Ignore speedys Report Abuse I still would not buy one.
OnTheWater Champion Author Orange County Posts:2,123 Points:622,380 Joined:Nov 2009	Message Posted: Sep 10, 2010 11:58:22 PM Ignore OnTheWater Report Abuse Wow Zero Emissions now that's cool.
Powerstroke73L Champion Author Sacramento Posts:2,785 Points:723,905 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Sep 10, 2010 11:52:10 PM Ignore Powerstroke73L Report Abuse "Batteries are good for running starters on IC engines." ------------ LOL.... or powering my flashlight....
cutter1330 Champion Author Oklahoma Posts:5,713 Points:1,228,490 Joined:Jul 2005	Message Posted: Sep 10, 2010 11:28:17 PM Ignore cutter1330 Report Abuse Batteries are good for running starters on IC engines.
Bruno44 Champion Author Texas Posts:4,851 Points:1,323,975 Joined:Sep 2007	Message Posted: Sep 10, 2010 11:26:52 PM Ignore Bruno44 Report Abuse Really?
runway12 Champion Author Tacoma Posts:2,906 Points:580,455 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Sep 10, 2010 11:18:34 PM Ignore runway12 Report Abuse The battery era car needs a push by more automakers before it will drop in price. But the question still remains who will do the pushing, regulations or automakers.
vulcan96 Champion Author Ohio Posts:21,163 Points:2,638,520 Joined:Aug 2004	Message Posted: Sep 10, 2010 11:17:22 PM Ignore vulcan96 Report Abuse there will be more than enough dissappointment to go around....
jadeusa Champion Author Dallas Posts:6,885 Points:1,369,710 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Sep 10, 2010 11:14:11 PM Ignore jadeusa Report Abuse still not practical
rwm1 Champion Author Iowa Posts:2,243 Points:1,200,705 Joined:Oct 2007	Message Posted: Sep 10, 2010 11:13:23 PM Ignore rwm1 Report Abuse The biggest reason is that Big Oil, auto manufacturers, politicians and big money behind politics don't want electric cars. I see plenty of cars on the side of the road everyday with multitudes of problems. And big scary trucks plow into cars everyday.
hwnguy Champion Author Honolulu Posts:3,580 Points:1,021,940 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Sep 10, 2010 11:03:29 PM Ignore hwnguy Report Abuse They cannot be zero emissions until the electricity is all that way.
Saturn93 Champion Author Salt Lake City Posts:6,566 Points:1,487,875 Joined:Oct 2006	Message Posted: Sep 10, 2010 10:58:08 PM Ignore Saturn93 Report Abuse MOST plug in electric vehicles simply shift the pollution they cause to someone else's neighborhood where the power plant is located.
Buddy2264 Champion Author Tampa Posts:9,253 Points:1,892,465 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Sep 10, 2010 10:57:17 PM Ignore Buddy2264 Report Abuse How can it be so hard when GM built one before. If you watch "Who Killed the electric car" you will see we might have already had the technology to continue on. Conservation keeps your money in your pocket.
Number43 Champion Author Lexington Posts:6,287 Points:1,188,905 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Sep 10, 2010 10:55:26 PM Ignore Number43 Report Abuse Not for me. I can not afford it.
LuckyTahoeGirl Champion Author Nevada Posts:2,594 Points:477,520 Joined:Jul 2010	Message Posted: Sep 10, 2010 10:52:00 PM Ignore LuckyTahoeGirl Report Abuse Nope
AKmailman Champion Author Alaska Posts:3,293 Points:1,098,520 Joined:Jul 2004	Message Posted: Sep 10, 2010 10:51:48 PM Ignore AKmailman Report Abuse the 2011 305 'stang sure sounds better
250FORD Champion Author Minnesota Posts:8,265 Points:1,303,335 Joined:Feb 2007	Message Posted: Sep 10, 2010 10:47:18 PM Ignore 250FORD Report Abuse Ooops, reality is setting in.
HA4CNN Champion Author Toronto Posts:3,459 Points:1,098,765 Joined:Dec 2006	Message Posted: Sep 10, 2010 10:45:03 PM Ignore HA4CNN Report Abuse Efficiency and reasonable cost will win the day just not today.
jimgraham Champion Author Akron Posts:7,958 Points:1,512,905 Joined:Oct 2007	Message Posted: Sep 10, 2010 10:43:13 PM Ignore jimgraham Report Abuse People will buy the pure EV. People will hate their pure EV. People will tell everyone what a POS their electric car is. EV sales will falter. People will decide that EVs are worthless, and even after the battery problem is solved, EVs will be unsaleable to the jaded public. Pity.. EVs could be a real solution if given the proper R&D investment, and time to mature the product, before attempting to sell mass quantities of it. For once the O'Bammer haters may be right. It will be reasonable and possible to blame the failure of EVs squarely on his shoulders.... Another fine example of government run amuck.
CISA Champion Author Orange County Posts:4,440 Points:1,101,175 Joined:Dec 2006	Message Posted: Sep 10, 2010 10:33:55 PM Ignore CISA Report Abuse France has cheap, clean electricity given their dependence on nuclear power. it works!
72_Monte Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:5,428 Points:1,531,205 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Sep 10, 2010 10:31:18 PM Ignore 72_Monte Report Abuse Yeah! It'll be just like Demolition Man!! "Mellow greetings. What seems to be your boggle?" _
EssexAdri Champion Author Virginia Beach Posts:1,025 Points:255,725 Joined:Jul 2010	Message Posted: Sep 10, 2010 10:27:27 PM Ignore EssexAdri Report Abuse How did this article get past the censors? This guy does know that stating the truth in public is against the law in all countries, doesn't he?
mmene Champion Author Houston Posts:4,347 Points:938,970 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Sep 10, 2010 10:22:50 PM Ignore mmene Report Abuse Battery technology today is simply not ready for prime time.
Quick68 Champion Author Columbus Posts:4,832 Points:757,825 Joined:Dec 2009	Message Posted: Sep 10, 2010 10:14:34 PM Ignore Quick68 Report Abuse Battery-powered electric vehicles are just another item that the governments wants you to have. Not what you need.
hubcapLA Champion Author Louisiana Posts:2,554 Points:662,530 Joined:Apr 2009	Message Posted: Sep 10, 2010 10:11:33 PM Ignore hubcapLA Report Abuse They will have to greatly improve batteries and reduce the cost before they can even taxi down the runway!
Gassed01 Champion Author Toronto Posts:4,073 Points:1,345,140 Joined:Jan 2006	Message Posted: Sep 10, 2010 10:07:58 PM Ignore Gassed01 Report Abuse Will be the toast, or just be toast?
roadrunnerMO Champion Author Kansas Posts:5,986 Points:1,232,185 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Sep 10, 2010 10:07:41 PM Ignore roadrunnerMO Report Abuse No zero emissions here. We are going to export our clean natural gas and burn coal to generate electricity. Congress passed legislation to do that today. Our jewels in congress come through again.
Rageagainsttm Champion Author Tampa Posts:6,004 Points:1,446,120 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Sep 10, 2010 10:05:05 PM Ignore Rageagainsttm Report Abuse I'll pass on this one.
bobdec Champion Author Florida Posts:6,711 Points:1,323,540 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Sep 10, 2010 10:03:59 PM Ignore bobdec Report Abuse Battery or dlectrice cars will not last long
AuburnTim Champion Author Indiana Posts:5,701 Points:1,284,955 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Sep 10, 2010 10:03:05 PM Ignore AuburnTim Report Abuse While in favor I still realize that they will never be affordable for most people with middle and lower incomes just like solar.